Talk:Undyne/@comment-38454122-20200413063749

Ok so a few things.

One, Undyne can kill Betty, but only in her Undying form. This is because only DETERMINATION can defeat FEAR, and even split up, the SOUL of FEAR can still be killed (as evidenced by Betty and Akumu's protectiveness of each other).

Two, Undying only seems to trigger if Undyne is killed in ONE hit.

Three, I really genuinely feel sorry for Undyne. Betty seriously tricked her into killing Alphys, and at this point I am convinced that that was done for literally no reason, just because Betty wanted to see what would happen (like why Flowey did Genocide, he just wondered what would happen).

Four, Undyne is, tactically speaking, the ONLY Monster with ANY chance to defeat Betty, as she is the only Monster capable of handling any amount of DETERMINATION without melting. As stated by Gaster, FEAR can only be defeated by DETERMINATION. However, it is unknown as to whether it must be the SOUL of DETERMINATION, or whether any DETERMINED being can. In other words, Frisk might not have had to go fight Betty at all (LOVE Part 2), they could have just kept sending Undyne out to attack Betty. Also, the ONLY reason Betty survived her fight with Undyne the Undying was because Akumu used the HATE substance. Thus, if there was a rematch (Undyne the Undying vs. Bete Noire Round 2), Betty would almost definitely lose. Plus, she did lose access to Rhabdophobia shortly after the events of LOVE Part 2 (when she was "inside" Akumu viewing the harvested SOULs). Even though Rhabdophobia wasn't a major factor in the battle, it was still a factor in Betty's favor nonetheless.